OpenType fonts in Creator, Export EPS, use in CS3 suite issues

[Chris Denesha]

Joe Sporleder wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> So are you saying the problem is with Open Type fonts and Creator 
> specifically? And CS3 installs some Open Type fonts? The reason I am 
> asking is that we are a Mac shop (with the exception of a couple of 
> accounting machines), and Creator 8.0.2, Acrobat Pro 6.x and Photoshop 
> 7.x are our primary tools. We own 3 licenses of Photoshop that are 
> eligible for an upgrade to CS3. I'm looking at the Design Standard 
> package which would give me the latest versions of Acrobat Pro, 
> InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop. Does the CS3 installer give the 
> option of not installing its Open Type fonts packaged with it? We have a 
> multi-station license of a BitStream PS Type 1 font package that we 
> purchased quite some time ago, and they work great with Creator. What is 
> the big deal about Open Type? Are they the future of fonts?

The problem manifests itself with Open Type fonts and PhotoShop/InDesign 
CS3.  If I use Distiller 8 to distill Creator's EPS, there is no 
problem.  I assume that the Acrobat team looks at and handles the 
postscript 'better'.  You'd think the code would migrate to the other 
software packages in the suite..

Open Type fonts are indeed the fonts of the future.  They can hold a LOT 
more info, especially extra ligatures and glyphs for fancy fonts.  For 
example in InDesign, with certain letter combinations that you type the 
glyph on screen actually changes in front of your eyes.  Very cool, you 
can have text that looks like calligraphy from long ago.

You can choose not to install the Open Type fonts, but it kind of 
defeats the purpose of becoming in sync with others.  My users want to 
use the fonts in the CS3 apps, so I have turned off those families (Type 
1) that we are licensed for with Adobe/Bitstream.  I suspect the Creator 
code (actually third-party code) is not doing something the same as 
InDesign/PhotoShop and they get confused.


> We use Creator 8 for our pagination workflow, both ad design and 
> pagination, saving EPS's of our Creator ads (as well as making EPS's of 
> "camera" ready PDFs) to that publication's folder. I'm investigating 
> InDesign CS3 for pagination purposes. Anything I should be aware of when 
> replacing Creator with InDesign for the pagination part (we'd never give 
> up Creator for ad design)? Any glaring problems with Photoshop or 
> Acrobat Pro CS3? Photoshop and Acrobat Pro working well is a must . . . 
> InDesign is just for testing purposes at this point. The primary 
> interest in Illustrator is to be able to convert bitmap customer logos 
> into line art.

Hmm, I don't use the apps on a daily basis, but from a technical 
standpoint the suite seems to work well.  We have had no issues with 
using the TIFFs out of PhotoShop nor the EPSs out of Illustrator in our 
ads (all built in Creator).  I've always thought that Creator should not 
be used for pagination - it isn't what it is good at.  Being able to see 
all of the pages of your document at once in a thumbnail palette, as 
well as the stacking pasteboards, make Quark or InDesign better for 
pagination.  But stay away from Quark it is horrible. :)


 > Chris Denesha wrote:
>> Environment:
>> Intel OSX 10.4.11
>> C8.0.2 or C7.0.6
>> Adobe CS3 suite and Open Type fonts from it
>>
>> Our workflow still requires an EPS export from Creator (pag system 
>> using Quark 4.11 for PC).  I'm seeing the following problem when using 
>> OT fonts in Creator.
>>
>> Export an EPS
>> Rasterize in PS CS3, or
>> Place in ID CS3 and export a PDF from ID (or view the placed ad with 
>> View -> Display Performance -> High Quality Display)
>>
>> The OT fonts blow out, as in the character spacing is ruined, some 
>> letters moved forward in the line and others moved backwards.  Seems 
>> to be the lower cased letters...


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chris denesha
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The Day Publishing Company
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